James TURNER

1839 -

• Name	James TURNER
  Born	1839 (Sep Qtr)	Withernwick, Yorkshire, England (Skirlaugh District)
  Christened	22 Sep 1839	Withernwick, Yorkshire, England
  Gender	Male
  _UID	8D80D4C095B70D4989EEF0FD677AAD194E6C
  Person ID	I3184	Chamberlain Family
  Last Modified	22 Jul 2019

  
  

  Father	Unknown
  Mother	Mary TURNER,   c. 15 Jan 1809, Aldborough, Yorkshire, England ,   d. 30 Sep 1848, Seaton, Yorkshire, England  (Age ~ 39 years)
  _UID	3ED653AA67F45F458DDEB85B74ADE1E9791C
  Family ID	F1064	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family 1	Ann EVANS,   b. 1842, Cranswick, Yorkshire, England
  _UID	7D7C4E9BF46600458F294AEAFA04667F509A
  Children	1. Lavinia TURNER,   b. 23 May 1866, Cranswick, Yorkshire, England ,   d. 1941  (Age 74 years)
  Last Modified	15 May 2022
  Family ID	F227	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family 2	Emma HOUGHTON,   b. 1857, Seaton, Yorkshire, England
  Married	Sep Qtr 1908	Driffield District, Yorkshire, England
  _UID	C0CA6FC76570A149AB24AD48328C7CA11E39
  Notes	Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%) HOUGHTON Emma Driffield 9d 595 Scan available - click to view TURNER James Driffield 9d 595
  Last Modified	15 May 2022
  Family ID	F1063	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%) Evans Ann Driffield 9d 400 Turner James Driffield 9d 400 Parents of James Turner bn 1839 are incorrect. He was the illegitimate son of Mary Turner, the daughter of William Turner and Ann nee Mortimer. I've saved a couple of things to your shoebox on Ancestry. James' mother, Mary, had 3 other children, all out of wedlock: Lavinia, Rebecca and Hannah. James birth registration as found on the GRO website is: TURNER, JAMES - GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in SKIRLAUGH Volume 22 Page 598 No mother is mentioned, which is an immediate indicator that this child was illegitimate. You'll also want to see this tree on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/23174215/person/1366049600/facts and in particular the statement Sandra Burnett makes about Mary Ann Turner. Sandra Burnett is descended through James Turner and Ann Evans son, Robert. She gives a potential father for James Turner, one Samuel Wright, but she gives no evidence to support that claim. So, Samuel Wright cannot be added to Joan's tree at this point. Parents of William Turner, baptised 22 Apr 1783, Sherburn, Yorkshire were John Turner and Elizabeth nee MENNARD. Parents of Ann Mortimer, baptised 13 Aug 1786, Garton in Holderness, Yorkshire, were Richard Mortimer and Mary nee LONGMAN. James Turner's wife, Ann Evans, was also illegitimate baptised 20 Feb 1842 at Hutton Cranswick, Yorkshire to mother Ann Evans. 1851 Seaton, Yorkshire, England, HO107.2365, fol. 233, p. 5 Household Sch. #24, Seaton: William Turner, head, widower, 68, carter, born Sherburn, Yorkshire William Turner, son, unm, 24, shoemaker journeyman, born Sigglesthorne, Yorkshire Lavinia Turner, granddaughter, 17, born Seaton, Yorkshire James Turner, grandson, 12, scholar, born Withernwick, Yorkshire James Easby born circa 1787, West Rounton: his wife was Jane JEFFERSON. They married 1816 at Bessingby, Yorkshire. This was found on a reverse marriage search on FindmyPast for Jane with spouse Easby comparing two marriages of a James Easby, one in 1803 and the other in 1816. She was baptised 1 Feb 1797 at Thwing to John Jefferson and Mary. Isabel Poole on the census with William J. Weller gives her birth particulars as being about 1868 at Slyne, Lancashire. That matches the information that you gave me years ago. Looking at the 1871 census (I've saved it to your shoebox) for Ellet, Lancashire there is Isabella Pool, daughter, aged 3 born Slyne with parents John Pool born circa 1840 at Slyne and Jane born about 1835 at Aberdeen, Scotland. Also with them are two sisters of Jane: Georgina Gardiner, married, born about 1843 Whithorn, Scotland and Sarah Stirling, also married, born about 1845, Whithorn, Scotland. So, my question is, where did you get the Williton, Somerset information for the birth place of Isabel Poole? In the 1911 census (also in your shoebox) her birthplace was recorded as Slyne but crossed through and written above it was Birmingham. In that census was her sister, Margaret born about 1878 at Birmingham. The 1881 census for Birmingham (also in your shoebox) again has John and Jane (as in 1871) with Isabella, this time born Bolton le Sands, Lancashire, William born Ellet, Jane born Bolton le Sands and Margaret born Birmingham. Birth registration for Isabella Pool POOL, ISABELLA mother's maiden name GARDNIER GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 645 Birth registration of sister, Margaret POOL, MARGARET GARDNER GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 234 Birth registration of brother, William from 1881 census POOL, WILLIAM GARDNER GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 665 I've also put the 1897 marriage certificate of William John Weller and Isabel Poole in your shoebox. One of the witnesses is a Margaret Poole, who would have been Isabel's sister. So, the evidence is definitely indicating that Jane Gardner was the mother of Isabel, not Mary Ann Norton. Also, that John Poole and Mary Ann Norton have been claimed by another researching who has Isabel marrying a different fellow and dying in London much earlier than Joan's lady. John Pool's birth registration POOL, JOHN mother's maiden surname CARR GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 21 Page 464 Occasional Copy: A POOL, JOHN CARR GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 21 Page 465 This was cross referenced with the birth registration for James Pool born 1860 at Slyne (I've put the 1861 census in your shoebox) and confirms mother's maiden name as CARR This is further confirmed by the 1851 census where John Pool is a grandson visiting with John Carr and Ann Carr. (I've saved that to your shoebox, too) Charlotte Stephens birth registration tallies with children on 1851 census living with William and Mary Stephens in Harborne (census in your shoebox) STEVENS, CHARLOTTE mother's maiden name SKIDMORE GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 18 Page 398 Older sister: STEPHENS, HANNAH SKIDMORE GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in ASTON UNION Volume 16 Page 165 Older brother: STEVENS, WILLIAM SKIDMORE GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 18 Page 426 Mary Ann BENBROOK, not BEMBROOK born 3 Feb 1814 likely Handsworth, Staffordshire (census evidence) baptised 26 Sep 1823 St. Phillip, Birmingham, Warwickshire (baptism in your shoebox) Handsworth was part of the diocese of Birmingham even though in a different county.